It's pretty sad. The Brady Campaign/National Campaign to Ban Handguns has no funding, no membership or grassroots support. Rumor is they couldn't afford to fly their director out to the midwest for a debate recently. Sad, really.
The only thing they have going on is their sycophants in the press. I wonder if they count that as a goodwill asset on their balance sheets...?
I would point out that MAgunnutz and Greg Camp don't think any number of gun deaths is too many.
But then they repeatedly demonstrate that they live in the world of gun fantasy where the sky is CGI, and not in the world of reality that the rest of us inhabit.
They share the guilt of the murderers for opposing measures like registration of private sales which would reduce the number of firearms in the hands of criminals by holding private parties accountable for guns going from legal transactions to criminals.
I would remind you again - 40% of legal guns used in crimes were put in the hands of criminals by family and/or friends.
That would be people like YOU TWO who did that, in the erroneous belief that we need to have more people with more gunz.
Actually, folks;I think that MassivelybraindamagedGunzowner and Greg Camp are right. There are too few deaths. Maybe if we had 4,500 deaths from senseless (and somewhat preventable) violence over about 9 years in a place where it WAS really, really dangerous to be--with or without a gun--then the gunzloonz would be suggesting a few changes. Oh, that's right, we already have that happening, it's called Iraq.
But, I guess it's okay if them boys (and girls) get killed, 'cuz they GOTS teh gunz!
MAGunner writes:No doubt. A lot of these sociopathic drug dealers do have their babymommas straw purchase guns. But that's already highly illegal.
NOPE. Straw purchase firearms account for just under an ADDITIONAL 10% of guns used in crimes to those 40%. Stats are from the Bureau of Justice statistics.
Those 40% are legal guns from family or friends that are available to the criminals, and where we have no laws or inadequate laws holding people accountable for private sales to criminals and where no theft of the firearm was reported either.
WW NEED TO HOLD PEOPLE RESPONSIBLE AND ACCOUNTABLE, PEOPLE WHO BUY A GUN LEGALLY, FOR TRANSFERRING THAT LEGALLY PURCHASED FIREARM TO CRIMINALS. THIS IS CLEARLY DISTINCT FROM THE PURCHASER USING THE GUN IN CRIMES.
IT IS A SERIOUS PROBLEM WHEN WE HAVE FIGURES AT THE 40% LEVEL.
WW NEED TO HOLD PEOPLE RESPONSIBLE AND ACCOUNTABLE, PEOPLE WHO BUY A GUN LEGALLY, FOR TRANSFERRING THAT LEGALLY PURCHASED FIREARM TO CRIMINALS. THIS IS CLEARLY DISTINCT FROM THE PURCHASER USING THE GUN IN CRIMES.
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Yeah thats aiding and abetting, which is already a crime too.
I'd understand you if you argued for holding accountable those who use guns to commit crimes, but you go on about reducing their sentences. Why don't you take the same tolerant attitude toward those who don't use guns to commit crimes? You want to punish us, but coddle actual criminals. That looks like a warped sense of justice to me.
Now, if you're going to claim that I'm responsible for murder, you have to show that I was present at the act and participated in the crime. If you claim that I'm responsible for giving guns to criminals, you have to show me doing just that. Otherwise, you're speaking from bias and emotion, not facts.
And you've shot your way out of how many threatening situations, or "brandished" and scared them big, bad blackoperps while you wre walking your dog at the park? Does your dog carry, too?
And you've shot your way out of how many threatening situations, or "brandished" and scared them big, bad blackoperps while you wre walking your dog at the park? Does your dog carry, too?
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Just one, but I don't like to talk about the Nakatomi Plaza incident except to my therapist.
I'm not understanding something that you wrote. You appeared to be criticizing MAgunowner because he hasn't used his guns to kill someone. Isn't that exactly what you want done with guns--not kill someone? So we are wrong because we hurt people with our guns, or we're wrong because we don't. You may approve of a "damn you if you do, and damn you if you don't" judgement, but others will understand when we don't go along with it.
No it was a reference to my previous comment about how I walk my dog 1/4 mile from the projects and carry a gun to protect myself from the nice gentlemen who inhabit the area.
MAgunowner, are you a fan of Red Dawn too. Just owning a gun and commenting like you do is enough for us to know you live in a fantasy world, but the movies really adds a colorful element to the picture.
Dennis Hennigan is talking about the tragic and largely preventable gun deaths that happen in the States year in and year out. And all you guys can do is keep singing your justifying and rationalizing songs, self-serving princes you are.
"Red Dawn" was an interesting film--bad acting, but ideas worthy of discussion. That's the sociological and philosophical value of film and literature. They allow us to play out ideas to see where they lead. That doesn't mean that we take them as fact.
Naturally, you would say that. People fighting back against oppression and an invasion of their home? No, that couldn't be worthy of your consideration. I suppose that you prefer bleak films with unheroes who mildly accept their fates.
GC writesNaturally, you would say that. People fighting back against oppression and an invasion of their home? No, that couldn't be worthy of your consideration. I suppose that you prefer bleak films with unheroes who mildly accept their fates.
One more example of your fantasy world.
I admire reality based films like Gandhi. You live in a gun loon fantasy, and you are full of shit.
Nothing you have would match military equipment or trained military troops. You are an idiot who makes weapons a fetish, but who has not practical pragmatic grasp of weapons use in tactical or strategic real life situations.
"Red Dawn" should be a new flavor of the Kool-Aid that the NRAholes drink.
Greg Camp:
The movie was built on the premise that the FUCK's* were trying to win the hearts and minds of the villagers in that quaint mountain province. Considering that an invasion of the U.S. by anyone would likely result in KYAGNA** the chances that anyone would still be alive a year or two down the road, with vehicles, armaments and basic food supplies, energy supplies (the fuel stop where the Cubocommies were gassin' up their T-whatevah's) and the like? Pretty much nil. IF they were alive, the ones with the gunz would just kill everybody else (cept maybe the hotties) and not worry about offending the locals.
I know you visualize yourself out there in the middle of New Dodge City, sweeping your dustertopcoat outta the way and resting your left hand on Ol' Calamityjane (your favorite Hitchcokian paramour, and the nickname for that trusty hogleg that's gotten you through many a scrape), thumb on the hammer, finger ON the trigger, just darin' that commie varmint to slap leather. Then allofasuddenlike, your brain explodes as a slug from a 7.62 x 39mm round fired by an Ak-47 wielding comothug in the darkened saloon a half block away bisects what little gray matter you have, entering from the rear and blowing most of your face off as it exits your now truly braindead body!
Oh, wait, that's prolly not EXACTLY the way you see it happening. Well, guess what, life is NOT a fucking movie.
It's pretty sad. The Brady Campaign/National Campaign to Ban Handguns has no funding, no membership or grassroots support. Rumor is they couldn't afford to fly their director out to the midwest for a debate recently. Sad, really.
ReplyDeleteThe only thing they have going on is their sycophants in the press. I wonder if they count that as a goodwill asset on their balance sheets...?
MAgunowner,
ReplyDeleteDon't forget, the Brady Bunch has Plaxico Burress on their side. Oh, wait, you were looking for assets. . .
And then you two represent the pro-gun side.
ReplyDeleteWhy does the Brady organisation need money when people such as you two demonstrate the need for strict gun control.
Keep up the good work. Any luck we will add you two to the memorials.
I would point out that MAgunnutz and Greg Camp don't think any number of gun deaths is too many.
ReplyDeleteBut then they repeatedly demonstrate that they live in the world of gun fantasy where the sky is CGI, and not in the world of reality that the rest of us inhabit.
They share the guilt of the murderers for opposing measures like registration of private sales which would reduce the number of firearms in the hands of criminals by holding private parties accountable for guns going from legal transactions to criminals.
I would remind you again - 40% of legal guns used in crimes were put in the hands of criminals by family and/or friends.
That would be people like YOU TWO who did that, in the erroneous belief that we need to have more people with more gunz.
Shame on you.
Actually, folks;I think that MassivelybraindamagedGunzowner and Greg Camp are right. There are too few deaths. Maybe if we had 4,500 deaths from senseless (and somewhat preventable) violence over about 9 years in a place where it WAS really, really dangerous to be--with or without a gun--then the gunzloonz would be suggesting a few changes. Oh, that's right, we already have that happening, it's called Iraq.
ReplyDeleteBut, I guess it's okay if them boys (and girls) get killed, 'cuz they GOTS teh gunz!
"Keep up the good work. Any luck we will add you two to the memorials."
ReplyDeleteIs that a death threat?
MAssholegunzloon:
ReplyDelete"Is that a threat?"
Nah, more like a predictable outcome for moronz like you and Greg Camp.
"I would remind you again - 40% of legal guns used in crimes were put in the hands of criminals by family and/or friends."
ReplyDeleteNo doubt. A lot of these sociopathic drug dealers do have their babymommas straw purchase guns. But that's already highly illegal.
"Nah, more like a predictable outcome for moronz like you and Greg Camp."
ReplyDeletePredictable in the sense of approaching zero, conditional on my gun handling practices. In that sense, I would agree the outcome is predictable.
MAGunner writes:No doubt. A lot of these sociopathic drug dealers do have their babymommas straw purchase guns. But that's already highly illegal.
ReplyDeleteNOPE. Straw purchase firearms account for just under an ADDITIONAL 10% of guns used in crimes to those 40%. Stats are from the Bureau of Justice statistics.
Those 40% are legal guns from family or friends that are available to the criminals, and where we have no laws or inadequate laws holding people accountable for private sales to criminals and where no theft of the firearm was reported either.
WW NEED TO HOLD PEOPLE RESPONSIBLE AND ACCOUNTABLE, PEOPLE WHO BUY A GUN LEGALLY, FOR TRANSFERRING THAT LEGALLY PURCHASED FIREARM TO CRIMINALS. THIS IS CLEARLY DISTINCT FROM THE PURCHASER USING THE GUN IN CRIMES.
IT IS A SERIOUS PROBLEM WHEN WE HAVE FIGURES AT THE 40% LEVEL.
It's already illegal to give or sell a gun to a prohibited person.
ReplyDeleteWW NEED TO HOLD PEOPLE RESPONSIBLE AND ACCOUNTABLE, PEOPLE WHO BUY A GUN LEGALLY, FOR TRANSFERRING THAT LEGALLY PURCHASED FIREARM TO CRIMINALS. THIS IS CLEARLY DISTINCT FROM THE PURCHASER USING THE GUN IN CRIMES.
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Yeah thats aiding and abetting, which is already a crime too.
Dog Gone,
ReplyDeleteI'd understand you if you argued for holding accountable those who use guns to commit crimes, but you go on about reducing their sentences. Why don't you take the same tolerant attitude toward those who don't use guns to commit crimes? You want to punish us, but coddle actual criminals. That looks like a warped sense of justice to me.
Now, if you're going to claim that I'm responsible for murder, you have to show that I was present at the act and participated in the crime. If you claim that I'm responsible for giving guns to criminals, you have to show me doing just that. Otherwise, you're speaking from bias and emotion, not facts.
MAssivelymoronicGunzowner:
ReplyDeleteAnd you've shot your way out of how many threatening situations, or "brandished" and scared them big, bad blackoperps while you wre walking your dog at the park? Does your dog carry, too?
How would my dog carry? He doesn't have opposable thumbs, and his judgement is questionable.
ReplyDeleteAnd you've shot your way out of how many threatening situations, or "brandished" and scared them big, bad blackoperps while you wre walking your dog at the park? Does your dog carry, too?
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Just one, but I don't like to talk about the Nakatomi Plaza incident except to my therapist.
Ah, the fabled Nakatomi Plaza, a gunzloonz pornofantasy of "gettin even".
ReplyDeleteSo, iow, you've never done shit with your gunz except comfort yourself?
Um "getting even" was not the theme of die hard. Jeesh! Did you even see the movie?
ReplyDeleteMAgunowner said...
ReplyDeleteHow would my dog carry? He doesn't have opposable thumbs, and his judgement is questionable.
I believe that was a sarcastic reference to the recent hunters who were shot by their dogs in negligent accidents.
Democommie,
ReplyDeleteI'm not understanding something that you wrote. You appeared to be criticizing MAgunowner because he hasn't used his guns to kill someone. Isn't that exactly what you want done with guns--not kill someone? So we are wrong because we hurt people with our guns, or we're wrong because we don't. You may approve of a "damn you if you do, and damn you if you don't" judgement, but others will understand when we don't go along with it.
No it was a reference to my previous comment about how I walk my dog 1/4 mile from the projects and carry a gun to protect myself from the nice gentlemen who inhabit the area.
ReplyDeleteMAgunowner, are you a fan of Red Dawn too. Just owning a gun and commenting like you do is enough for us to know you live in a fantasy world, but the movies really adds a colorful element to the picture.
ReplyDeleteDennis Hennigan is talking about the tragic and largely preventable gun deaths that happen in the States year in and year out. And all you guys can do is keep singing your justifying and rationalizing songs, self-serving princes you are.
Mikeb302000,
ReplyDelete"Red Dawn" was an interesting film--bad acting, but ideas worthy of discussion. That's the sociological and philosophical value of film and literature. They allow us to play out ideas to see where they lead. That doesn't mean that we take them as fact.
GC wrote:"Red Dawn" was an interesting film--bad acting, but ideas worthy of discussion.
ReplyDeleteIt was so so entertainment, but NO, it had no ideas in it worthy of serious discussion or consideration. It was fantasy bullshit beginning to end.
Dog Gone,
ReplyDeleteNaturally, you would say that. People fighting back against oppression and an invasion of their home? No, that couldn't be worthy of your consideration. I suppose that you prefer bleak films with unheroes who mildly accept their fates.
GC writesNaturally, you would say that. People fighting back against oppression and an invasion of their home? No, that couldn't be worthy of your consideration. I suppose that you prefer bleak films with unheroes who mildly accept their fates.
ReplyDeleteOne more example of your fantasy world.
I admire reality based films like Gandhi. You live in a gun loon fantasy, and you are full of shit.
Nothing you have would match military equipment or trained military troops. You are an idiot who makes weapons a fetish, but who has not practical pragmatic grasp of weapons use in tactical or strategic real life situations.
"Red Dawn" should be a new flavor of the Kool-Aid that the NRAholes drink.
ReplyDeleteGreg Camp:
The movie was built on the premise that the FUCK's* were trying to win the hearts and minds of the villagers in that quaint mountain province. Considering that an invasion of the U.S. by anyone would likely result in KYAGNA** the chances that anyone would still be alive a year or two down the road, with vehicles, armaments and basic food supplies, energy supplies (the fuel stop where the Cubocommies were gassin' up their T-whatevah's) and the like? Pretty much nil. IF they were alive, the ones with the gunz would just kill everybody else (cept maybe the hotties) and not worry about offending the locals.
I know you visualize yourself out there in the middle of New Dodge City, sweeping your dustertopcoat outta the way and resting your left hand on Ol' Calamityjane (your favorite Hitchcokian paramour, and the nickname for that trusty hogleg that's gotten you through many a scrape), thumb on the hammer, finger ON the trigger, just darin' that commie varmint to slap leather. Then allofasuddenlike, your brain explodes as a slug from a 7.62 x 39mm round fired by an Ak-47 wielding comothug in the darkened saloon a half block away bisects what little gray matter you have, entering from the rear and blowing most of your face off as it exits your now truly braindead body!
Oh, wait, that's prolly not EXACTLY the way you see it happening. Well, guess what, life is NOT a fucking movie.
*Filthy UnGODly Commie Killers
**Kiss Your Ass Good-bye Nu-Q-Lar Armageddon
Actually, if we're talking about Hitchcock's women, I prefer Eva Marie Saint or Ingrid Bergman. But I suspect that you mean Hickok.
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