And where did I say that this can't happen? I said that a sale across state lines would be illegal already. A sale to someone who is a known criminal is illegal already. Adding a new law will only move such sales into the black market.
People can keep selling their guns without having to worry about anything other than ending up on Bloomberg's Candid Camera Vids on Youtube as long as US gun laws remain lax.
Now, if idiots like you would realise you know fuck all, shut up, and allow for serious laws to get passed.
Then again, if criminals, lunatics, the feebleminded and other undersirables can't get guns, then the gunloon fraternity is gonna be really pissed off.
And the gun industry is gonna go real broke--real fast since there goes its clientele.
You're so cute when you're self-righteously pissed.
"As for my side shutting up and letting you get away with passing your proposals, freedom is a genuine pain to authoritarians, isn't it?"
I can just see those steely eyes flashing defiantly as you wrap yourself in the flag (leaving one arm free to execute your blindingly fast cross draw) and pulling your hat down low across your face--never mind it already does that.
Greg said, "Adding a new law will only move such sales into the black market."
That's where you're wrong, Greg, and I'm surprised you have such little faith in human nature.
The guys taking advantage of the loose regulations are not all total scofflaws. If the laws changed and they were required to conduct background checks on all sales, some would say fuck it and go criminal, but some would obey the law. Whatever those percentages are, it would be a big improvement over the free for all bullshit we have now. Don't you agree? (feel free to answer with a yes or a no)
Greg, unfettered access to firearms isn't freedom--it's stupidity.
Anyway, the right which was guaranteed by the Second Amendment is no longer valid--the US has a standing professional military.
Rights come with obligations--if you are not going to take the associated obligation--then you have no claim to the right.
That's not authoritarianism--it's reality.
The "pro-gun" side has been using bullshit to buttress their position.
Freedom is not having to worry if I will be shot by some idiot.
And, Greg, you are an idiot--as is the rest of your crowd.
Let's face it, Greg, you couldn't pass a serious background check to buy a gun and I would guess most of the rest of your lot wouldn't either--which is why you are afraid of these laws.
Not to mention, you all benefit from the crime.
Yeah, Greg, you contribute to the problem by refusing to act.
You assholes aren't law abiding--you are just as bad as the person in the video.
I couldn't pass a serious background check? Are the ones for working in public schools or residential treatment facilities not serious enough for you? I imagine you don't trust the ones for a carry license, but the former should say something. And yet, I have passed both kinds on several occasions. If you're going to assert that those on my side are criminals, and that's what you're claiming when you say that we couldn't pass--I invite you to prove it.
As for the obligations that come with the freedom, I live up to mine. And no, that does not include being in the military.
Mikeb302000,
Short answer: no.
The longer answer is that I'm unwilling to give up anything until I know what your side is willing to give up. Politics and morality aren't in a one-to-one relationship. You may believe that you're right (we believe the same about ourselves), but in the world of legislation, you have to be willing to compromise. What are you willing to give up? We refuse to be the ones to give up everything, on the promise that you'll stop there.
"The longer answer is that I'm unwilling to give up anything until I know what your side is willing to give up. Politics and morality aren't in a one-to-one relationship. You may believe that you're right (we believe the same about ourselves), but in the world of legislation, you have to be willing to compromise."
Another one of your inexhaustible store of FUCKING LIES. You have stated, on this blog, at least a dozen times that you will never, ever compromise. You must have an amazingly fucked short term memory. We do not. You're a FUCKING LIAR.
"What a load of unmitigated rubbish. It's already illegal to sell a gun across state lines without an FFL being involved--in other words, a background check done by a licensed dealer."
Boy, when dog gone says your critical thinking is AWOL she ain't whistlin' "Dixie"!
Do we know where this transaction took place? The seller sounds like he's southern but that doesn't mean he couldn't be in NY. If he IS in NY, not even in the city, he's committing serial felonies just by having gunz in his possession without any permits. You cannot sell a pistol in NY (IIRC) unless you're a licensed dealer. If the transaction did not take place in NY then maybe the locale has incredibly lax gun lawz.
And where did I make an error in what I wrote? It is illegal to sell guns across state lines, except for some states that allow rifle sales in stores, and certainly all sales across state lines are supposed to go through an FFL.
As for your other comment, I've tried to discuss what compromise position we all could reach, but every time I do, all I get is the kind of response that you give. That's why I say no deals. Until my side can see that yours is willing to meet us in the middle, we won't budge either.
"And where did I make an error in what I wrote? It is illegal to sell guns across state lines, except for some states that allow rifle sales in stores, and certainly all sales across state lines are supposed to go through an FFL."
You really are fucking braindead. You are exactly the same guy who, along with your gunzloonz posse says that criminals don't give a fuck about the law. The guy in the video, obviously, did everything he could to avoid having to comply with extant federal law. He IS a criminal--caught and convicted or not--dealing firearms without a license and doing nothing to check if others are legally empowered to own weapons. He actually tells the buyer that he doesn't want to KNOW that the guy can't pass a background check.
This:
"A person may sell a firearm to an unlicensed resident of his State, if he does not know or have reasonable cause to believe the person is prohibited from receiving or possessing firearms under Federal law. A person may loan or rent a firearm to a resident of any State for temporary use for lawful sporting purposes, if he does not know or have reasonable cause to believe the person is prohibited from receiving or possessing firearms under Federal law. A person may sell or transfer a firearm to a licensee in any State. However, a firearm other than a curio or relic may not be transferred interstate to a licensed collector.
[18 U.S.C. 922(a)(3) and (5), 922(d), 27 CFR 478.29 and 478.30]"
is from here (http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/unlicensed-persons.html#gca-unlicensed-transfer)
And, in spite of this, you and those people who think like you persist in saying that the "Private sale" problem is a fiction of the anti-gun fanatics (into which group, gunzloonz like you, lump all reasonable persons who oppose dumbfuckswithgunz)
"As for your other comment, I've tried to discuss what compromise position we all could reach, but every time I do, all I get is the kind of response that you give. That's why I say no deals. Until my side can see that yours is willing to meet us in the middle, we won't budge either.
December 21, 2011 1:58 AM"
Bullshit. You've said, repeatedly, that you will never surrender your RIGHT to do exactly wtf YOU want to do with your gunz. And you consider any genuine atttempt to register/regulate as a nefarious plot to confiscate your gunz. End of story.
It's a Bloombergcommiefast'n'furious set-up, man!
ReplyDeleteNo REAL private seller would no nuttin' like that!
If'n it was Greg Camp, he's smell the rat, whip out the hogleg and deal some "rough justice", you damn betcha!
And where did I say that this can't happen? I said that a sale across state lines would be illegal already. A sale to someone who is a known criminal is illegal already. Adding a new law will only move such sales into the black market.
ReplyDeleteIf you're going to quote me, get it right.
Come on, Greg.
ReplyDeleteOnce again says nothing is going to stop this.
People can keep selling their guns without having to worry about anything other than ending up on Bloomberg's Candid Camera Vids on Youtube as long as US gun laws remain lax.
Now, if idiots like you would realise you know fuck all, shut up, and allow for serious laws to get passed.
Then again, if criminals, lunatics, the feebleminded and other undersirables can't get guns, then the gunloon fraternity is gonna be really pissed off.
And the gun industry is gonna go real broke--real fast since there goes its clientele.
Laci the Dog,
ReplyDeleteI suppose that you can prove your assertion that gun manufacturers need criminals to stay in business?
As for my side shutting up and letting you get away with passing your proposals, freedom is a genuine pain to authoritarians, isn't it?
More of Bloomie's dog and pony shows. What a joke.
ReplyDeleteGreg Camp:
ReplyDeleteYou're so cute when you're self-righteously pissed.
"As for my side shutting up and letting you get away with passing your proposals, freedom is a genuine pain to authoritarians, isn't it?"
I can just see those steely eyes flashing defiantly as you wrap yourself in the flag (leaving one arm free to execute your blindingly fast cross draw) and pulling your hat down low across your face--never mind it already does that.
Greg said, "Adding a new law will only move such sales into the black market."
ReplyDeleteThat's where you're wrong, Greg, and I'm surprised you have such little faith in human nature.
The guys taking advantage of the loose regulations are not all total scofflaws. If the laws changed and they were required to conduct background checks on all sales, some would say fuck it and go criminal, but some would obey the law. Whatever those percentages are, it would be a big improvement over the free for all bullshit we have now. Don't you agree? (feel free to answer with a yes or a no)
Greg, unfettered access to firearms isn't freedom--it's stupidity.
ReplyDeleteAnyway, the right which was guaranteed by the Second Amendment is no longer valid--the US has a standing professional military.
Rights come with obligations--if you are not going to take the associated obligation--then you have no claim to the right.
That's not authoritarianism--it's reality.
The "pro-gun" side has been using bullshit to buttress their position.
Freedom is not having to worry if I will be shot by some idiot.
And, Greg, you are an idiot--as is the rest of your crowd.
Let's face it, Greg, you couldn't pass a serious background check to buy a gun and I would guess most of the rest of your lot wouldn't either--which is why you are afraid of these laws.
Not to mention, you all benefit from the crime.
Yeah, Greg, you contribute to the problem by refusing to act.
You assholes aren't law abiding--you are just as bad as the person in the video.
Laci the Dog,
ReplyDeleteI couldn't pass a serious background check? Are the ones for working in public schools or residential treatment facilities not serious enough for you? I imagine you don't trust the ones for a carry license, but the former should say something. And yet, I have passed both kinds on several occasions. If you're going to assert that those on my side are criminals, and that's what you're claiming when you say that we couldn't pass--I invite you to prove it.
As for the obligations that come with the freedom, I live up to mine. And no, that does not include being in the military.
Mikeb302000,
Short answer: no.
The longer answer is that I'm unwilling to give up anything until I know what your side is willing to give up. Politics and morality aren't in a one-to-one relationship. You may believe that you're right (we believe the same about ourselves), but in the world of legislation, you have to be willing to compromise. What are you willing to give up? We refuse to be the ones to give up everything, on the promise that you'll stop there.
"The longer answer is that I'm unwilling to give up anything until I know what your side is willing to give up. Politics and morality aren't in a one-to-one relationship. You may believe that you're right (we believe the same about ourselves), but in the world of legislation, you have to be willing to compromise."
ReplyDeleteAnother one of your inexhaustible store of FUCKING LIES. You have stated, on this blog, at least a dozen times that you will never, ever compromise. You must have an amazingly fucked short term memory. We do not. You're a FUCKING LIAR.
"What a load of unmitigated rubbish. It's already illegal to sell a gun across state lines without an FFL being involved--in other words, a background check done by a licensed dealer."
ReplyDeleteBoy, when dog gone says your critical thinking is AWOL she ain't whistlin' "Dixie"!
Do we know where this transaction took place? The seller sounds like he's southern but that doesn't mean he couldn't be in NY. If he IS in NY, not even in the city, he's committing serial felonies just by having gunz in his possession without any permits. You cannot sell a pistol in NY (IIRC) unless you're a licensed dealer. If the transaction did not take place in NY then maybe the locale has incredibly lax gun lawz.
Democommie,
ReplyDeleteAnd where did I make an error in what I wrote? It is illegal to sell guns across state lines, except for some states that allow rifle sales in stores, and certainly all sales across state lines are supposed to go through an FFL.
As for your other comment, I've tried to discuss what compromise position we all could reach, but every time I do, all I get is the kind of response that you give. That's why I say no deals. Until my side can see that yours is willing to meet us in the middle, we won't budge either.
"And where did I make an error in what I wrote? It is illegal to sell guns across state lines, except for some states that allow rifle sales in stores, and certainly all sales across state lines are supposed to go through an FFL."
ReplyDeleteYou really are fucking braindead. You are exactly the same guy who, along with your gunzloonz posse says that criminals don't give a fuck about the law. The guy in the video, obviously, did everything he could to avoid having to comply with extant federal law. He IS a criminal--caught and convicted or not--dealing firearms without a license and doing nothing to check if others are legally empowered to own weapons. He actually tells the buyer that he doesn't want to KNOW that the guy can't pass a background check.
This:
"A person may sell a firearm to an unlicensed resident of his State, if he does not know or have reasonable cause to believe the person is prohibited from receiving or possessing firearms under Federal law. A person may loan or rent a firearm to a resident of any State for temporary use for lawful sporting purposes, if he does not know or have reasonable cause to believe the person is prohibited from receiving or possessing firearms under Federal law. A person may sell or transfer a firearm to a licensee in any State. However, a firearm other than a curio or relic may not be transferred interstate to a licensed collector.
[18 U.S.C. 922(a)(3) and (5), 922(d), 27 CFR 478.29 and 478.30]"
is from here (http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/unlicensed-persons.html#gca-unlicensed-transfer)
And, in spite of this, you and those people who think like you persist in saying that the "Private sale" problem is a fiction of the anti-gun fanatics (into which group, gunzloonz like you, lump all reasonable persons who oppose dumbfuckswithgunz)
"As for your other comment, I've tried to discuss what compromise position we all could reach, but every time I do, all I get is the kind of response that you give. That's why I say no deals. Until my side can see that yours is willing to meet us in the middle, we won't budge either.
December 21, 2011 1:58 AM"
Bullshit. You've said, repeatedly, that you will never surrender your RIGHT to do exactly wtf YOU want to do with your gunz. And you consider any genuine atttempt to register/regulate as a nefarious plot to confiscate your gunz. End of story.